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    PPD 2007

    Thursday, September 27, 2007, 05:52 PM EST [Sabbats]

    Sorry it took me so long to write this up, but last Saturday (Sept 22) our CUUPs group participated in the PPD (Pagan Pride Day) 2007 (there are a few pics in the gallery). It was a pretty interesting event. There were rituals throughout the day (ok only 3, but we did one of them) and a couple of workshops.

    Unforutnately (and I think this was because of location) it was not that well attended. We did havea few proselytizers though. One was wandering around with a "Jesus is Lord" (or some sentiment similar to that) on, while she was in the vendor area she had a big binder covering her shirt. I don't thin she was doing anything actiuvely, but it was about this time that someone came round and put tracts on all the cars (warning against the dangeers of devil worship). One must wonder if the two were related.... ;)

     

     

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    And the Witch Wars Rage on!

    Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 10:22 PM EST [Controversy]

    Or, drama is so much more interesting when it doesn't affect you directly.

    I got this e-mail early this morning from a member of the CUUPs group. She had gotten an e-mail (which I will quote in a bit) from someone she has never heard of. A.J. Drew. The name sounded familier to me, so I googled him (I assume it's a him). A Pagan author, but one I have never really read. The memberdidn't want to post the e-mail she had received to our group, but would send it to individual members. I asked for a copy. I recieved it a few minutes later and realized what it was all about, though it had gone farther than I ever expected. 

    Apparently this story actually starts in the '70's. Back in 1971 Gavin and Yvonne Frost Published a bookcalled The Good Witch's Bible. I have never actually read the book (it's been out of print for decades), but I did look at some of the reviews for it on Amazon. It's got a pretty low rating. I have the feelign that even when it came out, people didn't take it too seriously. However there is a chapter in it that details the ritual defloweration of boys and girs. I'm not going to go into detail about that at the moment, it is in the e-mail that I will quote later.

    Well, A.J. Drew apparently takes great offense at this and wants the Frosts ostracized from the Pagan Community. He would like, at the next Real Witch's Ball, to burn them in effigy. I ran ac4ross this in a posting on MysticWicks. Here is a link to someone else's blog that details what he wants to do....

    http://www.wildhunt.org/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html    (sorry, form some reason it won't let me add a link, and honestly, my html is not up to snuff).

    Well, after reading all that, I figured that would be about the end of it, but hehe, I am a non-political being mostly. So I do not know the wiley ways of the drama beings! Thei morning, I get the actual e-mail that reads thus:

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    To members of the CUUPS:
    Please forgive the scope of this email. I am sending it individually to every member of CUUPS whose email address I can find. I am doing this individually by visiting every chapter web page and finding the contact emails because I desperately need to inform the membership of CUUPS of the actions of a person who claims to be your Vice President. Actions which are stated to be the use of a fire arm in an apparent effort to use sympathetic magick to bring about my murder. As the father of two children, I hope you can understand why I would use such a tactic to solicit you help.
    My name is A.J. Drew. I am a pagan author and long time supporter of your organization. More importantly, I am a father with the clear goal of improving my community for my children. To that end I recently asked members of Pagan Nation (pagannation.com) to write to Pagan Pride Project LLC to express their feelings about what many believe to be pedophilic instructions found in a book by Gavin and Yvonne Frost. I will provide quotes from that book in a moment such that you may understand why I am so alarmed at its content and continued sale at Pagan Pride events.
    In what seems like a direct response to my asking for pagan folk to express their concern over this literature to folk, a person claiming to be Jill Medicine Heart Combs, Vice President of CUUPS and regional coordinator for the Ohio Valley Pagan Pride Project, sent emails to a Circle Sanctuary email list which rather clearly calls for assistance in facilitating my murder via sympathetic magic and ritual.
    The first email was rather vague, calling on magickal assistance:
    "Subject: Please light a candle for me on Thursday NIGHT!

    I cannot go into details, but I am doing some serious magickal work to help protect our Pagan Pride International as we are under attack. I am also working on doing some magickal work to help protect those who are joining in on this attack on Pagan Pride. I wish I could go into details, but this is a matter of urgency to protect the name of a organization that has done good for you for over 10 years!

    Please help protect me during this ritual.

    Jill Medicine Heart Combs
    Ohio Valley Regional Coordinato"

    The second email was a bit more to the point:
    Subject: The rituals are done ---

    Thank you everyone for your support in some serious magickal workings that have been occurring over an issue that is dear to my heart, Pagan Pride. I had to reach into some deep dark recesses and call upon a few dark forces to help me out-- This isn't my normal kind of magick to perform either-- but dammit, you don't muck with my pagan family!

    I despise Fundie Pagans who think that their First Amendment rights should infringe on how an organization should run--

    Lets put it this way--- my first ritual consisted on firing 80 rounds into a target that I created as an effigy of sorts. If this fundie pagan wants to play with effigy's, I can too dammit.

    The only damndable thing about this and the witches bottle I created for Phase Three-- I had to sacrifice a jarfull of pickles so I could have a jar to work with!

    I will protect the organizations that I am run with-- anyone EVER threatens them with anything the warrioress is coming out and she's pissed! -- Be it Pagan Pride, Circle, Military Pagan Network, Robin's Hood Community Center, CUUPS or anything other organization I am connected to. And, if anyone has a beef with me (unlike this fundie pagan who won't come right out and say anything to me publicly) then you need to take up with me and me alone.

    I love you all! Thank you for the candlelightings, the angels, and whatever else you sent for protection-- you are the most wonderful group of people I have ever come across. You are truly my extended family.

    Bless you all for your help!

    Jill Medicine Heart Combs
    I do not know what it is that I could have done to so enrage this woman to violence. The very thought that someone would believe members of Circle Sanctuary would assist her in a ritual that involves shooting my effigy 80 times with firearm is stomach turning. Even more stomich turning is the thought that this person claims to be Jill Medicine Heart Combs, Vice President of one of the most respected pagan organizations in the United States.
    At this year’s International Real Witches Ball, we are having a ritual called a Sacrifice to Caring. The ritual is being written by survivors of incest and child molestation. I have stated that I plan on sacrificing the Frosts in effigy at that event, but have explained exactly what I meant:
    http://pagannation.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showthreaded/Number/61877/gonew/1#UNREAD
    Yes, I keep a blog at ajdrew.blogs.pagannation.com in which I have been detailing what Gavin and Yvonne Frost have written and who have supported them these many years. This being done as part of my involvement in the De-Frosting campaign, a movement which feels that before we address such issues as Catholic Priests sexually molesting young boys, we must first address the problems in our own religion. But these things are matters of Freedom of Speech and as such are sacred.
    As your vice president seems to be responding to my request for letters in which folk simply express their opinions, I am shocked to find that I am apparently the target for 80 rounds fired from a handgun in a symbolic murder as part of a pagan ritual.
    In all sincerity, what am I now to think of CUUPS? I am hoping that this email will prompt its members to remove its vice president so I can return to greatly respecting your organization. Failing that, all I could hope for is that folk leave the organization such that I can at a minimum respect those members who have taken such a valiant stand as to not to be associated with such activity and hatred.
    All I have sought to do is to bring to light what seems to be a clear and present danger to our children, the pedophilic writings of Gavin and Yvonne Frost. All I have tried to do was to demonstrate to Pagan Pride that we pagan folk are not proud of Gavin and Yvonne Frost. For this, the vice-president of CUUPS wants me dead? I do not know what to think.
    Am I so wrong in wanting to use my First Amendment right to Freedom of Speech that your vice president should want me put to death? There have been claims made by folk who have spoken against the Frosts that the Frost’s supporters have attempted to kill them. Until now, I have always thought those claims were false. Even when I encountered a few folk who threatened to physical assault me, I felt the claims were most likely false. But now that someone in such a position of prestige in the pagan community has made her feelings clear (with a fire arm), I am not so sure.
    In closing, please help defend myself and my family from this magickal attack being waged by your vice president. Please pray for my family and self.
    Blessed be and live free,
    A.J. Drew
    http://PaganNation.com
     
    Quotes from The Witches Bible / The Good Witches Bible
    By Gavin and Yvonne Frost
    Chapter IV
    "When a child develops to a stage where the physical attributes of reproduction are present, he can become a full member of the coven."
    Note the use of the word "child". As I understand this statement we are speaking about prepubescent / onset of puberty. Perhaps the age of 10.
    "The parents relinquish the spiritual guidance of the children to the coven, and warn them that temporal authority will also soon be outside the family. "
    Note that according to this statement, it seems what follows would have been led by Gavin and Yvonne Frost as the Heads of their Coven.
    "It is hoped by Wicca that the first full sexual experience will take place in the plesant[SIC] surroundings of the coven and that the spiritual as well as the physical aspects of the experience will lead the child to a complete life. "
    Note: Note the use of the word "child" in this sentence. Note also that this sentence appears in the same discussion as the reference to the age being the onset of puberty. Obviously, we are speaking of children well under legal age and apparently about 10 years of age.
    "The physical attributes of male and female virginity are destroyed at the youngest possible age, either by the mother or by a doctor. In the female case, the hymen is painlessly broken surgically. In the male case, the mother makes absolutely sure that the foreskin can be drawn fully back by cutting the underside attachment membrane."
    Note: I did not know that home genital surgery was part the Wiccan religion.
    "At the last sabbat or eshbat before the initiation, the female novice is given the sacred phallus and the instruction sheet in Table 5 so that she can learn to insert and remove the phallus quickly and comfortably. She is also taught how she should lie and what she should do during the initiation ceremony. "
    Note: There are two phalluses. One large, one small. There are instructions for making them using wood dowels, nylon cord, and wax. The object of this exercise appears to be to stretch the virgin vagina to make it ready for coitus.
    Remember, as we discussed earlier we might be speaking about a 10 year old girl.
    Table Five contains the following instructions
    "You have been entrusted with two phali[SIC]; these are in your care until your initiation. We would like you to be initiated at the next coven meeting, which will take place on …. This means that, excluding your menstruation time, you have three weeks to prepare your muscles for introitus. Your father or your sponsor will help you if you have any difficulties or pain. You may have to delay your initiation, but there is plenty of time and no need to hurry. These are important development phases. Relax and take your time. You have no hymen; there is no restriction except the vaginal muscles."
    Note: As I understand this, a 10 year old girls father should help her with the home made phalli? In the state of Ohio, this is rape. In any state, this is obscene.
    "After your evening discussion and meditation, and before you go to bed, take the smaller phallus and smear it with lubricating jelly. Either lie on your back with your knees up and legs slightly apart, or stand up and bend your knees. Spread the lips of the vagina and gently insert the phallus. Remember it must point toward the back, not up inside you. Push the phallus in until the vaginal entrance muscles close around the core. Wear it and the larger phallus in accordance with the following table, except during menstruation."
    Note: The table provides the time and schedule to use the two devices of differing sizes.
    "The final three days before the initiation are a time of fasting. "
    Note: The importance of fasting will become evident later.
    "Throughout the fast the novices are given a demonstration of introitus by a couple selected by the coven. "
    Note: As I understand this passage, this states that a live sex show should be given to children as early as the age of 10 years of age.
    "The novice makes her own decision on contraception or lack of it."
    Note: As I understand this statement, children the age of 10 years old should make decisions on the use or lack of use of birth control prior to having sex.
    "The flamenca gives the novice a full glass of mead."
    Note: While I am not a doctor, I believe the result of having a child or most adults fast for three days and then drink a "full glass" of a high carbohydrate alcoholic beverage would be near instant intoxication.
    "Bring back the fruits of your sponsor’s body"
    Note: Although the instruction is not specifically to go have sex, with the wording of the preparation, this instruction is not hidden at this point. So at this point, we might be speaking of a 10 year old girl, removed from her parents care, raped by her father with a series of home made dildos, fasting for three days, intoxicated on mead, and told to go have sex with her sponsor. In the case of a male child, skip the dildo and include genital surgery.
    "Does the novice now understand the meaning of life?"
    "Do you still wish to be a member of this coven?"
    Note: Some final highlights remember we are obviously talking about "children" and seem to be talking about children as early as the age of 10 years old.
    "Do you have the fruits of your body (sponsors body)?"
    "I will use my sex for good;"
    "She symbolically whips him with his own whip. He kisses her foot, she helps him to rise. He points to his ankh (symbol of the God’s authority) at her. She falls to the ground. He symbolically whips her. She kisses his foot; he helps her to rise. "
    "The symbology [SIC] of the meek overcoming the strong and the godhead overcoming all, even the flamenca, is easy to understand, but has been the cause of many attacks by the establishment, who freely change "foot" to "backside".
    Note: Interesting use of the word "establishment". When combined with the pedophilia, I find this use of the word alarmingly similar to other religious organizations, which have turned my stomach.
    Chapter VII – Perils and Precautions – All quotes and page numbers are from the 1972 edition of The Witches Bible.
    "At the end of this chapter you will find an additional section covering the problems you may encounter with the local temporal and civil authorities. Precautions and cures for these ills do not fall within the scope of the present book, but on your getting a good lawyer".
    Section title "Temporal Authorities and Law" – page 181 at the end of the chapter VII.
    "First and foremost, check your local laws so that if you have to bend or break any of them, at least you’ll know the risks you run. The following should be checked."
    "Carnal Knowledge
    The daughter of a local Wiccan couple wishes to join the coven. She is sixteen. May she join? The answer in most states is that when she is a member, all of the men of the coven could be jailed; no amount of formal releases properly signed will help. So if she wishes to join, all the male members of the coven must sign an agreement absolving the other members from responsibility."
    Why do the authors seem to think only the men could be jailed over this? Why not the female members as well? The only thing I can come up with is that elsewhere the Frosts explain how homosexuality in their religion is not permitted. As best I can figure, the signed agreement is thought to absolve the female members of the coven for the crimes of the men who will be having sex with her. Note that "all male members" must sign the thing. Not just some or the one who will sexually initiate her. No no, all men must sign it.
    Page 189 – Forming and Running a Coven
    Speaking about things that potential coven members must be told prior to joining, the Frosts list:
    "Their bodies will be used in ceremonies that
    a. sap the vital power,
    b. are dangerous,
    c. require sex with assigned partners."
    Ok, the above is just about sick enough to illustrate my point that Gavin and Yvonne Frost knew exactly what they had instructed. Sure, in this situation they are speaking about a hypothetical 16 year old, but elsewhere they are clear that the average age of a coven member in a coven that is 5 years old is 15 years of age. For there to be a 15 year old in that coven, should this 16 year old join there would have to be a 14 year old. If there were an elder in the coven, well do the math. Children would have to be much, much younger than the average of 15 now wouldn’t they?
    But there are other quotes from earlier in the book, which might cause one to think that the illness runs even deeper. Note that above, they did say the child was the "daughter" of a Wiccan couple. In chapter IV we see other instructions concerning Wiccan children which might be related to the above quote.
    Chapter IV
    "The parents relinquish the spiritual guidance of the children to the coven, and warn them that temporal authority will also soon be outside the family. "
    Oh, but it gets even worse.
    Pregnancy - Page 181
    "Towards the end of their term, though, when they find they are unable to participate fully in coven activities and are worried about the future, they sometimes panic and sue for child support. Therefor, all single women joining the coven must sign a release."
    So as I understand this instruction, it is sometimes necessary to bend or break the law if you want to practice the Frosts Wicca. Sex with children is illegal, so when you go around breaking the law you should make sure the women folk are protected from charges of child molestation and rape and you should be equally sure that the women joining the coven (including the children evidently) sign a release protecting the men folk from child support.

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    Well, apparently, the whole CUUPs world is on fire about this. I of ciurse am a CUUPs member, but mostly I look at in with interest and amusement. I'll be doing my best to keep up with this, if there is anything else of note, I will post it here.

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    Bush Debacle.

    Saturday, September 1, 2007, 06:49 AM EST [Controversy]

    Call me jaded, but I am beginning to wonder.... I'm sure you have all heard by now of the flap that was caused when President Bush, snubbed Roberta Stewart while meeting with families of veterans who had died in the line of duty. Of course later he called her up and apologized for not having met with her at the time. I don't know precisely why he said that that particuilar oversite had occurred, but that is not urbane to this entry.

    What I have noticed is that people seem to be ready to heap praise on him for doing the right thing. Now had he done the right thing originally, this minor human interest story would have stayed just that. There would have been no side articles, blog entries, or tounges wagging about how the President managed to meet with all the famileies of the dead soldiers without leaving anyone out. So is this what it seems to be on the face of it, either some sort of oversite, or is it a shrewed bid to regain a few points of popularity for a waning President. Makes one (at least this one) wonder.

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    Court Day, Part 2.

    Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 09:40 PM EST [General]

    Well, the day has come and gone. I won't bore you with all the details
    (they were pretty Dull details), but I went back to the courthouse at
    the appointed hour (actually about a half an hour before hand) and
    waited. People started streaming out of the court room, the trial was
    over. The defense won so he had to pay $100.00, and that is all. I got
    $12.00 for my trouble. I knew juror's got paid, I didn't realize that
    witnesses got paid.
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    Court Day, part one.

    Wednesday, August 22, 2007, 01:51 PM EST [General]

    I got up at some unholy hour (for a day off) to go to court. The subpoena said I should be there at 8:45. When I had spoken to the lawyer he told me he thought it would be about 1:00p before he would need me, but since the subpoena said 8:45, I figured that was when I had better be there. I got there at 8:30. I checked in and was told that I should go sit in the courtroom. I think they may have thought I was a juror. I sat in the court room for a while and then the lawyer for the defense pulled me out. He had me sit in the hallway.

    A few hours went by and he came out and told me I should go to lunch because it would be at least an hour before I was needed. I went to Church's fried Chicken (it was close and cheap(ish)). I may remark more on this later. After eating I headed back to the courthouse and everyone seemed to be coming out. The lawyer said to come back about 2:30.

    I came home and puttered about, and now am about to head back off to court. Hopefully they will get me in there and let me say my bit and then let me go. This is already taking all day....

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